Isis Dea
Minmatar
Aspi-Vore Xenosaders
North Star Confederation
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Posted - 2007.06.13 17:33:00 -
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 Originally by: Butter Dog
Edited by: Butter Dog on 11/06/2007 21:29:41
It may not have actually occured to you, but a lot of people who play eve have absolutely no desire to 'empire build' as you put it. Quite the opposite - our small alliance exists to have fun. And guess what? Pew pew is fun. I log on and talk to friend, many of whom I have met in real life, and we go shoot things. Ite an enjoyable diversion.
Fuelling and managing an outpost is not fun in the slightest (and believe me when I say we know this better than most - nearly all of BUM came from ISS).
Now, we're not stupid. We know that fun cost ISK. So we have quite seperate industrial interests (incuding quite a diversified range of T2 production) which is kepy nicely out of harms way and managed by alts. Nothing new or clever about that - but it is the enabler which lets us (BUM) focus on doing what we enjoy. Its also nothing to do with 'empire building' as you put it. Its just an enabler for our shiny ships and guns.
The fact remains, that our little collection of pew-pewers generates more ISK in loot than you will ever make in Providence doing anything of an industrial nature. Only a few days ago we said hello to a 6bn ISK navy Raven (unfortunately only 3bn of loot survived, but you can't have it all). But the loot is simply a bonus, the main reason we shoot things is because we enjoy doing it.
So who is laughing now? The bitter industrialist, or the pvpers who simply log in to have some fun at your expense?
Doesnt take a genius to work that one out. I think you'll find a lot of UK are very happy with their new found freedom to enjoy the game again.
As a fellow PvP'er for nearly three years now having fought on over four epic battlefields (in terms of alliance involvement), I must say your post is harsh and cold and has little weight other than throwing threats around.
First off, remind yourself that there are more interests in Eve other than your own. His joys in (eve) life may not come from the same sources as your own. "Fun" to you may in other words not be "fun" to him. This applies to your "PvP", his "industrialization", and your statement remarking "empire building".
In terms of profit- both sides make profit. As a PvP'er, your profit is through killing of players, his is through killing of NPCs and roids. Both of you make loot. While you did strike lucky with the Navy Raven, not all of your kills will be as expensive and/or yield as much as that one in particular. Meanwhile Janu's loot is a continuous spew of loot without the chance factor of the T2 loot but rather instead the chance loot of a named or officer NPC.
In the end your both equal. If Janu desides to involve mining in 0.0, technically the profit (despite what folks have argued) will swing in Janu's favor should he involve himself in the richer ores of 0.0 mainly if he can maintain constant "loot" from these roids. (Look up the 0.0 ore profits if you don't believe me.)
Loss factor is also equal. You take the same risk by joining a gang as he does going solo. While you have more firepower and means of killing, you also are more detectable and slow moving (even if you run an effective vagabond gang).
In the end you still are equal; you just swing your statements selfishly in your favor while Janu remarks they're only in your favor.
To poke some more fun at you, I've got friends in BUM as well as talked to some of the members in BUM during our fights in 9UY and surrounding areas. Even your own selfish views of profit in BUM -you might want to go back and check and see if the others in BUM are profiting the same way, for what I heard is what I heard and I will make no further comment on it other than you might want to look into your won words. 
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